{"id":1598663,"date":"2025-11-07T16:53:30","date_gmt":"2025-11-07T21:53:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/observer.com\/?p=1598663"},"modified":"2025-11-07T16:53:30","modified_gmt":"2025-11-07T21:53:30","slug":"opera-director-interview-bartlett-sher-amazing-adventures-met","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/observer.com\/2025\/11\/opera-director-interview-bartlett-sher-amazing-adventures-met\/","title":{"rendered":"Bartlett Sher On Theater as a Catalyst for Change"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_1598677\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1598677\" style=\"width: 970px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/2025\/11\/opera-director-interview-bartlett-sher-amazing-adventures-met\/kavalier_and_clay_2\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1598677\" data-lasso-id=\"2864590\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full-width wp-image-1598677\" src=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_2.jpg?quality=80&amp;w=970\" alt=\"A dramatic moment from the opera shows several performers in striped concentration camp uniforms kneeling and covering their faces, while a man stands nearby holding a sketchpad and other actors converse at a dimly lit table in the background.\" width=\"970\" height=\"647\" srcset=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_2.jpg 4500w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_2.jpg?resize=300,200 300w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_2.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_2.jpg?resize=635,423 635w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_2.jpg?resize=1536,1024 1536w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_2.jpg?resize=2048,1366 2048w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_2.jpg?resize=970,647 970w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_2.jpg?resize=320,213 320w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_2.jpg?resize=1920,1280 1920w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_2.jpg?resize=50,33 50w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 135px, 200px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1598677\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Metropolitan Opera\u2019s season opener brought Michael Chabon\u2019s Pulitzer-winning novel to the stage with an ambitious new adaptation exploring art, politics and survival. <span class=\"media-credit\">Photo: Evan Zimmerman<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>In September, the Metropolitan Opera opened its season with <a href=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/2025\/09\/opera-review-amazing-adventures-of-kavalier-and-clay-met\/\" data-lasso-id=\"2864591\"><i>The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay<\/i><\/a>. Based on the novel by Michael Chabon, with music by Mason Bates, production by Bartlett Sher and libretto by Gene Scheer. Weeks before the opening, Observer visited an early tech rehearsal to observe Bartlett Sher in his element.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNoise! Make noise!\u201d Sher hollered at the stage as the cast of <i>The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay<\/i> rehearsed a complex party scene with a huge cast of characters. Unusually for a long tech rehearsal, the energy on stage buzzed between run-throughs. Performers bounced from foot to foot, stretched and practiced stage fighting and falls. They waited for the show\u2019s impressive but temperamental new \u201cirising\u201d system\u2014a curtaining technology that opens and closes around a square \u201ceye\u201d\u2014to figure itself out.<\/p>\n<p>Leaving his lunch uneaten at the director\u2019s stand, Bartlett Sher was constantly in motion. He moved around the stage like a party host, wisecracking, laughing and answering questions. Chatting with Edward Nelson, who plays the opera\u2019s Tracy Bacon, they practiced a balancing move, each showing a different way to hold his body.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1598678\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1598678\" style=\"width: 616px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/2025\/11\/opera-director-interview-bartlett-sher-amazing-adventures-met\/sher-bartlett-1\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1598678\" data-lasso-id=\"2864592\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload size-full-width wp-image-1598678\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==\" data-src=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg?quality=80&amp;w=616\" alt=\"A portrait of a man with gray hair and glasses wearing a black turtleneck and jacket, looking directly at the camera against a plain background.\" width=\"616\" height=\"714\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg 616w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg?resize=259,300 259w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg?resize=518,600 518w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg?resize=320,371 320w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg?resize=43,50 43w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 135px, 200px\" \/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload size-full-width wp-image-1598678\" src=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg?quality=80&amp;w=616\" alt=\"A portrait of a man with gray hair and glasses wearing a black turtleneck and jacket, looking directly at the camera against a plain background.\" width=\"616\" height=\"714\" srcset=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg 616w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg?resize=259,300 259w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg?resize=518,600 518w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg?resize=320,371 320w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/Sher-Bartlett-1.jpg?resize=43,50 43w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 135px, 200px\" \/><\/noscript><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1598678\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bartlett Sher. <span class=\"media-credit\">Courtesy Bartlett Sher<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>A native Californian who speaks with a slight uptalk\u2014his voice rising at the ends of sentences like an invitation\u2014Sher\u2019s conversational mode comes across as a desire to connect with whoever he\u2019s talking to. Describing himself as an \u201cinterpretive artist,\u201d Sher told Observer that he sees his talent as being \u201cgood at marshalling, pulling together many points of view.\u201d His approach to direction is exploratory rather than single-minded. \u201cI\u2019m leading the exploration, I\u2019m guiding us, I\u2019m helping make choices that bring out the best in everybody\u2019s work\u2014rather than thinking of my vision being fulfilled.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This penchant for weaving together diverse threads seems suited to bringing to the Met\u2019s stage a story as soaringly epic as <i>The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay<\/i>. Chabon\u2019s novel follows two Jewish cousins\u2014a Czech artist and magician, Joe Kavalier and a Brooklyn-born writer, Sam Clay. Joe escapes Nazi-occupied Prague and arrives in Brooklyn a refugee after being torn away from his beloved younger brother (transformed into a sister, Sarah, in the opera). Together the cousins create <i>The Escapist<\/i>, a comic book about a superhero who fights fascism through Houdini-esque escape tricks. The book is loosely based on the life of Jack Kirby, the creator of <i>Captain America<\/i>. It covers a wide range of political themes that remain pertinent to our own times, including fascism, homophobia and antisemitism.<\/p>\n<p>The opera, he said, compresses Chabon\u2019s story into the lives of its principal characters and their relationships, all set against the backdrop of World War II and the Holocaust. Incorporated into the work is the theme of art\u2019s place during times of historical turmoil.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1598676\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1598676\" style=\"width: 970px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/2025\/11\/opera-director-interview-bartlett-sher-amazing-adventures-met\/kavalier_and_clay_1\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1598676\" data-lasso-id=\"2864593\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload size-full-width wp-image-1598676\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==\" data-src=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?quality=80&amp;w=970\" alt=\"A stage scene from The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay shows two men at a drafting table examining a drawing, with a large illuminated comic-style projection of a superhero figure behind them.\" width=\"970\" height=\"647\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg 4500w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=300,200 300w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=635,423 635w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=1536,1024 1536w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=2048,1366 2048w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=970,647 970w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=320,213 320w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=1920,1280 1920w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=50,33 50w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 135px, 200px\" \/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazyload size-full-width wp-image-1598676\" src=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?quality=80&amp;w=970\" alt=\"A stage scene from The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay shows two men at a drafting table examining a drawing, with a large illuminated comic-style projection of a superhero figure behind them.\" width=\"970\" height=\"647\" srcset=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg 4500w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=300,200 300w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=635,423 635w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=1536,1024 1536w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=2048,1366 2048w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=970,647 970w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=320,213 320w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=1920,1280 1920w, https:\/\/observer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/11\/KAVALIER_AND_CLAY_1.jpg?resize=50,33 50w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 135px, 200px\" \/><\/noscript><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1598676\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Comic book imagery and cinematic set design merge onstage, reflecting the story\u2019s fascination with escape, imagination and transformation. <span class=\"media-credit\">Photo: Evan Zimmerman<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u201cLayered in with essentially Chabon\u2019s own obsession with how much art can help you make sense of or change life,\u201d Sher explained. \u201cJoe Kavalier goes to comic books as a way of handling his pain and maybe transforming his pain. Whether that works or not is a fascinating question. Whether art can actually help you with these things or not becomes a major obsession of the book.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The place of art in the political and the political in art has been woven throughout Sher\u2019s career as a director. He\u2019s often sought out politically charged material\u2014from directing a dramatization of Barbara Ehrenreich\u2019s 2001 book <i>Nickeled and Dimed<\/i>, about the inability to survive on minimum-wage work in America, to politically sensitive revivals of <i>South Pacific<\/i>, <i>The King and I<\/i> and <i>My Fair Lady<\/i>, to Aaron Sorkin\u2019s 2018 adaptation of <i>To Kill a Mockingbird<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think theatre is a catalyst for change,\u201d Sher said. \u201cI don\u2019t think you make theatre pieces to tell people how to change. We tell stories that express people\u2019s ability to handle ambiguity, deal with problems, see conflicts and make decisions.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><i>The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay<\/i> approaches politics in a gently coaxing manner. Gene Scheer\u2019s libretto tells a simple story about a handful of relationships in wartime New York and Europe. The epic breadth of Chabon\u2019s novel is conveyed visually. Its density and richness are mirrored in the opera\u2019s textured and complex set design. Layered screens iris in and out, with designs from 59 Studio projected onto them. Towering above the audience are images of midcentury New York in its gloomy noir glory. We see comic book superheroes gleaming in primary colors or animated as elegantly looping works in progress. Haunting the background like a nightmare are greyscale sketches of Nazi death camps, reminiscent of Art Spiegelman\u2019s <i>Maus<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>As a director, Sher uses the entire stage\u2014with all its dimensions and angles\u2014in a cinematic approach to theatre. The vast cast of characters appears on stage with fair frequency, in large groups at parties, battles and crowd scenes. A superhero even flies on a wire. But it\u2019s all conveyed with a subdued elegance, never demanding, always inviting. Sher\u2019s contribution in <i>Kavalier and Clay<\/i> is conversational: the production\u2019s emotional texture is pliable. He doesn\u2019t tell you how to feel or think.<\/p>\n<p>Sher\u2019s ever-shifting, multi-perspectival approach feels ideal for our own overwhelming, anxious and information-dense moment. It dances away from ideological definition. \u201cThe themes of a kind of creeping fascism and the struggles against art, against the political mind, against who we\u2019ve become, are really critical right now but also very elusive and very hard to figure out how to express themselves.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>On opening night at the Met, the political charge of our new normal seeped into the opera house. Peter Gelb and Senator Chuck Schumer made speeches on the importance of freedom of expression\u2014the former to cheers, the latter to boos and heckles from frustrated constituents. Even in this historic environment, operating at a political remove now seems impossible.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI try to believe that great stories come when you need them most,\u201d Sher concluded. \u201cAnd it feels to me like we\u2019re lucky that <i>Kavalier and Clay<\/i> is coming around for us at this time.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3>More in performing arts<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<h5><a href=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/2025\/10\/dancer-tiler-peck-interview-ballet-city-center-turn-it-out-program\/\" data-lasso-id=\"2864594\">Tiler Peck On Bringing \u2018Turn It Out with Tiler Peck &amp; Friends\u2019 Back to City Center<\/a><\/h5>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h5><a href=\"https:\/\/observer.com\/2025\/10\/interview-tim-blake-nelson-play-and-then-there-were-no-more-la-mama-elizabeth-marvel\/\" data-lasso-id=\"2864595\">Elizabeth Marvel On Navigating a Dystopian Future in Tim Blake Nelson\u2019s \u2018And Then We Were No More\u2019<\/a><\/h5>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h5><a 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